Jim and Sam Show 501,586 views I think, if anything, it’s the reverse of what you’re saying. Mike is out to get the church because of the damage they cause (himself included). Even choreographing them? My understanding is that he is still a scientologist, but not a member of CoS. Well, Mr. Rathbun absolutely falls under the ' family members ' category, so that's easy-peasy: He is covered under the TRO. Marty was one of the few "surviving" GO members after the fallout from Operation Snow White. He believes that Rinder and Remini have gone too far and that they are raking up old, old things that Scientology has sought to address. Mark Wayne Rathbun, 37, was convicted of assaulting 14 California women between January 1997 and November 2002 – most of them in and around the city’s Belmont Shore neighborhood. Marty ended up squirreling the tech himself with his public. The whole long drawn out fiasco is laid out on a combination of this blog, Tony Ortega’s blog and Rathbun’s blog. 1. Monique Rathbun vs David Miscavige and Scientology In Activism, Human Rights, No Time For Slaves, Religion, Politics and War, Scientology on September 17, 2013 at 9:03 pm Nanci Rathbun is a lifelong reader of mysteries – historical, contemporary, futuristic, paranormal, hard-boiled, cozy … you can find them all on her bookshelves. He finally settled outside of the public eye and now keeps quiet. After all, is not the enemy of my enemy my friend? Scott Rathbun to his brother Marty Rathbun. He escaped as soon as he was taken to the hole, even though he sent so many people there; He couldn't handle not being Davey's big bad enforcer. The man being berated is Mark "Marty" Rathbun, who spent two and a half decades in the church, rising to become a top official there before breaking away in 2004. Scott held a degree in psychology, and I thought he might have some useful input on the task ahead of me. The Scientology Reformation By Mark Rathbun. Press J to jump to the feed. In his current blog, attacking Leah Remini, we find the usual inability to provide either facts or honesty.… Vicky wrote up an affidavit twisting the truth and confusing readers, recanting her story. I am a one-time winner of the New York Press Association's Best Humor Columnist award in its annual "Better Newspaper" contest. The poor women say they know the guy was crazy but still believe the things they were taught there. “Mark C. “Marty” Rathbun is a former senior executive of the Church of Scientology, who last held the post of Inspector General of the Religious Technology Center (RTC), the organization that is responsible for the protection and enforcement of all Dianetics and Scientology copyrights and trademarks,” Wikipedia says. Why haven’t we seen Marty Rathbun on Leah Remini’s show? It is full of conjectures or speculations. Recently Mark Rathbun, a former member, started a squirrel group which he refers to as Independents or Independent Scientologists. I suspect he'll be writing more books. David Misacavige's and Leah Remini's. Hardcore believers would totally act on this type of behavior in my opinion. It’s curiously fascinating yet disgusting to watch him defect and “see the light” to a degree only to later bash defectors publicly. There's probably some boring legal reason. I agree that it seems likely that he cut a deal with Scientology, or with a third party acting on behalf of Scientology. This led me to do some re-thinking about the matter. I can understand how it gets confusing…that’s if I’m understanding your post correctly. Why Scientology must be reformed. I think he effectively Dead Agent'ed himself. If you look at Marty's writing just prior to his caving and taking the money from Miscavige and agreeing to make a series of videos attacking critics of Miscavige, his understanding of Scientology - the subject - had evolved. Wrote Marty: "Ron educated his followers on the mechanics used to control and damage the mind, and simultaneously employed those by him to do precisely that to his followers, having been educated by Ron on the techniques would never guess they would be used on [them] his followers.". All Rathbun had to do was spin spin spin tall tales and lie about critics - all designed to confuse active Scientologists in doubt.Miscavige did it to Debbie Cook and Vicky Aznaran - both high ranking apostates. I know Rathbun played around with indie Scientology for awhile, then tried tinkering with Hubbard’s ideas to see if he could make some variations on them work for awhile, but didn’t he ultimately conclude that it simply was not true and could not be fixed? He wrote some good books about Scientology plus a decent fiction book. Apparently, judging by the responses on this thread, lots of people missed that. A personal friend of mine told me after the show that I had been (her word) “amazing,” which is a word that is employed to describe a wide range of human achievements, from the successful rescue of a kitten in a tree to the collection of awkward twitches and empty-brain pauses I … Brainwashing is crazy powerful. He never left the tech, was giving auditing to free zone members for years. Posts about education written by Mark C. Rathbun. My mother received multiple electro-convulsive shock therapy treatments while pregnant with me. It was Rathbun whose wife Monique fired her lawyers. Tony Ortega - Scientology Secrets + Tactics, David Miscavige, Tom Cruise - Jim Norton & Sam Roberts - Duration: 42:24. Contacting or harassing Mrs. Rathbun's employer, her co-workers, her family members, or her friends." Who did what to whom? You’re using the same critical statements as others for decades with a clear bias. I know Rathbun played around with indie Scientology for awhile, then tried tinkering with Hubbard’s ideas to see if he could make some variations on them work for awhile, but didn’t he ultimately conclude that it simply was not true and could not be fixed? It's similar to being mormon, but not a member of the LDS. If you read his own writings he was, essentially, trying to start his own movement, and then started adding in Eastern influences and a lot of other stuff. Not Only is he not attacking Scientology he's producing Golden Era Studios quality videos denouncing critics of Scientology. ... Cal head coach Mark Fox has had to get creative with his rotations. So is this dude back being a Scientologist or what?? There are people who have left and are very anti-Scientology as a whole... there are people who have left Scientology but because they have a problem with the way things have gone, but they still believe in Scientology. Anyone know why? Find out about Marty Rathbun. Patently false. So Jesse Prince's book Expert Witness gives a very honest take on Mike Rinder (who generally doesn't get too much flak) and Marty (who gets a ton). Considering how prominent he is in the work done to expose Scientology, I’m surprised we haven’t seen him on … MARTY RATHBUN: A former external affairs officer, removed from authority within the Church eight years ago for gross malfeasance which included suborning perjury and obstruction of justice. I call BS on your statement. He appears to have become disillusioned with what he calls the "Anti-Scientology Cult". That certainly makes the most sense of the evidence. It answers the most frequently asked questions about Scientology today, including: What is behind the madness and violence widely reported on Scientology Inc. supreme leader David Miscavige? Also why is this man not in jail, if not only from admitting to destroying information related to their handling of Lisa McPherson? Marty believes that Scientology works, it is Miscavige that is the problem... not what Hubbard taught. He's definitely acting on their behalf at this point. Insanity runs deep in my family. He seemed like a highly paranoid anxious angry person so I'm not surprised that he would go back. Marty backpedaled a bit and began criticizing Mike and Leah on his page, I believe. This is when he starts selling out his friends and defending Davey again. I’m sure I recall a … https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/14/memories-of-a-scientology-warrior-marty-rathbuns-curious-career-as-church-rebel/. His blog makes it clear he's not a Scientologist in any form. I feel like he thought he could start his own thing, and when it didn't take off, he was more vulnerable to the bribes that come after the attacks. Considering how prominent he is in the work done to expose Scientology, I’m surprised we haven’t seen him on this show as prominently as the other defectors. Rathbun calls them "First Aid Clock Bushings". Scientology is the road to total… What do you guys think? That logic is lost on me. The reenactment scenes he did with Louie were insane. Is he that tone deaf that he does not realize this, or is he just doing exactly what the church wants him to either through an agreement or their coercion? I think they made a deal with him that if he shut up, he would stop getting squirreled and get his family back, honestly. Marty Rathbun has hitched his already questionable wagon of misinformation to a group of Scientology Fair Game supporters in order to further his and OSA's mission. First Aid, Band-Aid, whatever, points to an obvious conclusion. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Basically, OP, there are not two sides. 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